Post by Lucie / minute

are there any interesting new(ish) very-high-level "easy" programming languages that simplify generic application development for non-developers? i.e. what people would use now (aside from excel) to make their own apps/tools if LLMs hadn't happened

@mntmn

i guess this is not what you are asking for, but i regurarly use max / puredata / plugdata for sort of these tasks. like automatic control over a video switcher for example.

and very simple bash scripts using things like pandoc etc. i use a lot. but still sometimes a bit of a sudoku for my brain tbh.

@lislegaard right, i think the whole music and performance software landscape maybe doesn't have this accessibility problem in the first place (cool) because there have been so many creative UI approaches and modular systems for audio.

@mntmn

yes i think you are right. which kinda prompts the questions, what are the different use-cases where people use llm's because things are not as good as in music / performance?

if i REALLY think about what i see around, there are not many ai-coded products i care for. i guess many people augment and automate with ai, but it is not like they wouldn't have made it without ai.

so.. most ai is back to slop? or what?

@mntmn

maybe debugging and small tools? i remember someone lost their bluetooth device and used claude to make a small app that would show bluetooth strength in a way what they could use it find the device. pretty handy and i don't think they would have done it without ai. BUT i feel like this is a thing we should be able to do with computers without ai even as non-programmers anyways.

but yeah. i think i would be interested to hear what kind of stuff these ai-people are making that you are

@mntmn

asking for the alternative to.

edit: asking for alternative workflow for MAKING. i know you are not asking for the ai-created apps themself.